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Post by Jonathan Wolf on Jun 29, 2015 3:03:27 GMT
Discussion of flooring options for the main service area
Possibilities
- remove tile and do acid stain on concrete
- carpeting
- tile
-possibly: put carpeting on most of the main service area, but use tile on the areas designated for hospitality/cafe area to separate the space
It looks as if the existing tile in the service area is asbestos. We cannot afford to have this remediated, which means it will need to be encapsulated and then covered with carpet or tile, eliminating the possibility of doing an acid stain on the underlying concrete.
Please feel free to add thoughts, photos, ideas, etc. for flooring options to this thread
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Jun 29, 2015 10:43:37 GMT
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Post by Corissa on Jun 29, 2015 10:43:37 GMT
I am wondering about the feasibility of carpet. The reading I've done suggests that gluing the tackstrips to the tile won't be effective. But you also can't drill or nail tackstrips into asbestos tile. The solutions I've read include either using "carpet squares" or tiling instead. I'm not sure exactly sure what carpet squares are, but if they are what cover the asbestos tile in our current kids church area, they are awful. They slide around, get bunched up, and the kids like to pick them up and throw them.
Is the tile in the halls also asbestos? It seems likely. Has anyone checked those thoroughly to see if they are intact, or if there are areas where they are crumbling?
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Post by leslieralph on Jun 30, 2015 16:39:40 GMT
I have seen carpet tiles in places I've worked. They have the benefit of replacing tiles that become damaged with another tile that is closely matching, maybe switching it with one that has been under a desk, although often the wear is different. They can come a little loose over time (like a corner of a tile) but not in a way like you're describing with the kids church area now, Corissa.
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Post by Nathan Ovitt on Jul 1, 2015 0:37:58 GMT
I believe I answered this elsewhere: Commercial carpet will be glued down and not tack strip and stretched. there will be no penetration to the floor in the process.
Also, if carpet tiles are placed correctly they are also glued down with an adhesive and do not come up readily. They can be removed for replacement.
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Post by leslieralph on Jul 2, 2015 17:35:47 GMT
Just a few of my thoughts/questions on flooring... - The café area should not be carpeted. Therefore part of the sanctuary will likely be carpeted and the café area will be tile. Are there other areas that would be better to leave as tile? - For the asbestos tiles, does it have to be encapsulated AND covered? Is it dangerous now? - In high-traffic carpeted areas we should plan to have mats and even a mat service in order to protect the carpet from premature wear and staining. Here is a link to a service I've used in the past. Here's the link for a quote. If this is agreed upon I can see about a quote once we figure out where we'll need them. services.cintas.com/paid-search/facility-services/mat-rental/national-usa?st-t=google_X467&vt-k=mat%20services&vt-d=c&gclid=CO-euLL6vMYCFdcWgQodtucGdA- We should think about having a clean-up crew on Sunday mornings to pick up trash and identify any spills from the morning on the carpet. Spills on carpet should be cleaned up right away. |
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Post by Nathan Ovitt on Jul 3, 2015 4:41:51 GMT
Just a few of my thoughts/questions on flooring... 1.- The café area should not be carpeted. Therefore part of the sanctuary will likely be carpeted and the café area will be tile. Are there other areas that would be better to leave as tile? 2.- For the asbestos tiles, does it have to be encapsulated AND covered? Is it dangerous now? 3.- In high-traffic carpeted areas we should plan to have mats and even a mat service in order to protect the carpet from premature wear and staining. Here is a link to a service I've used in the past. Here's the link for a quote. If this is agreed upon I can see about a quote once we figure out where we'll need them. services.cintas.com/paid-search/facility-services/mat-rental/national-usa?st-t=google_X467&vt-k=mat%20services&vt-d=c&gclid=CO-euLL6vMYCFdcWgQodtucGdA- We should think about having a clean-up crew on Sunday mornings to pick up trash and identify any spills from the morning on the carpet. Spills on carpet should be cleaned up right away. 1. Tiling is an option in that space, but not a necessity. We could always add tile down the road and begin with carpet. It is not a large space, so doing it later is very feasible. 2. Asbestos is only dangerous when fibers are released into the air to be breathed in or swallowed- what is called "friable." Surfaces made with asbestos are not considered friable unless the are fractured enough to release dust sized particulate. The huge problem child in the asbestos family is asbestos insulation- it is hugely friable. Tile is not considered friable; this includes ceiling tile. Covering with glue down carpet is a form of encapsulation as I understand it. It is not dangerous now. Good reference- oregonstate.edu/ehs/asb-when3. Commercial carpet can be very affordable, so it really depends on the expense of renting mats to tell if that makes sense. You have to have a good understanding of the life expectancy of the carpet and calculate whether that makes sense. I have never seen mats used on the carpeted sanctuary of a church before in high traffic areas. I think that would look odd- Especially considering how far the entrance to the carpeted area is. Maybe I'm just oblivious... wouldn't be the first time :-) |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 3, 2015 20:15:11 GMT
Maybe I'm just oblivious, too, but I don't like the idea of carpet. If it is the least expensive option, then I understand, but what about the acoustical impact of all that sound absorption?
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Post by Nathan Ovitt on Jul 6, 2015 19:08:30 GMT
Maybe I am just oblivious, too, but I don't like the idea of carpet. If it is the least expensive option, then I understand, but what about the acoustical impact of all that sound absorption? Carpet's acoustical impact is actually one of its benefits for this space. A large rectangular room with hard surfaces needs a lot of help with sound attenuation. We are stuck encapsulating the floor instead of removing the existing asbestos tiles unless we decided to go through asbestos remediation, which is costly. It is easy to lose sight of how expensive this floor is for us, or to simply not realize it: Not including space behind the stage, we have a 70' x 55' (3,850 sq. ft.) space in the sanctuary alone. When you add hall ways, etc. to that number we are talking roughly 5,000 square feet. At $4 per square foot, which includes prep and installation, there goes $20,000 of our budget. It you want to do a nicer floor than that the numbers grow rapidly because you are dealing with a multiple of 5,000. We need to check on some other commercial options that can be placed over the asbestos tile and compare pricing. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 7, 2015 18:42:24 GMT
Mark is an environmental attorney and has lots of connections with environmental engineers who work on this type of remediation. He is willing to help you guys figure this out. If he has to spend much time on it, he can submit his expenses as a gift-in-kind toward our contribution.
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Post by leslieralph on Jul 8, 2015 18:16:43 GMT
Who is going to check into carpeting and make that decision and the installation plans? When will that happen?
What needs to happen before a decision about flooring can be made?
What permission do we need from Wheaton to lay carpet in our rental areas? I will be checking with them on installation in common areas soon.
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Post by Corissa on Jul 15, 2015 13:31:32 GMT
Where are we on getting quotes for flooring? If no one else is doing this, I would be happy to take that project on. I have had some free time open up so I could work on exploring different options, getting quotes, and figuring out possible dates for installation.
If you want me to do this, let me know ASAP. If this isn't done soon, I think it will be difficult to get a firm date for installation in time to get moved in and any work done we need to do after carpeting (and still move in on time).
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Post by Corissa on Jul 17, 2015 13:31:10 GMT
Since no one has said I should do this, I assume someone else is taking care of it. Can we get a confirmation that someone else is talking to carpeting companies & getting quotes on flooring? Nathan? Leslie? Dave?
Also is there a firm plan for where we want carpet and where we would prefer something else (kitchen area/hospitality area)? Has someone drawn out on the floor plan the areas?
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Post by leslieralph on Jul 17, 2015 18:10:34 GMT
I am not getting quotes on flooring. I could make some calls, but I would need to know the areas we want to get carpeted/tiled, and square footage, at minimum to try and get something booked. They'd probably want to come to the site and we'll need to coordinate that as well. My assumption was that this falls under the design team.
I will meet with the landlord to address the expenses we are faced with just to get the building safe and usable. In order to avoid that being a waste of time and a repeat conversation, I need valid numbers and a plan in order to make a proposal to them and challenge them to help.
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Post by leslieralph on Jul 17, 2015 18:16:56 GMT
I've come across an estimate of 5700 sq ft for flooring. That includes carpet in the hallway and sanctuary, and tile in the "hospitality area."
Does that cover it? Should we run with that and try and make some calls?
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Post by Corissa on Jul 17, 2015 19:04:03 GMT
I've come across an estimate of 5700 sq ft for flooring. That includes carpet in the hallway and sanctuary, and tile in the "hospitality area." Does that cover it? Should we run with that and try and make some calls? According to this drawing ( drive.google.com/file/d/0B-cPon_fJTSXLWxVOE1sRXNMYm8/view?usp=sharing ) the total area of the sanctuary room (including kitchen/storage areas) is 4565 sq ft.
My measurements of the hallway with asbestos tile make that area between 950 and 1000 sq ft. So 5700 sq ft is accurate if you are rounding up. There is also an additional 1000 sq ft of carpet needed in Kids Church. (500 definitely needed for PreK rooms; 475 possibly needed for toddler room if that carpet cannot be sufficiently cleaned.) ---------------------- FYI, I've done some looking into flooring (for my own house) and ceramic tile can be very expensive, partially because it takes so many hours to lay it. There are other (non-carpet) flooring types that can still look very nice & are durable, but are cheaper and less expensive to install. |
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